A mysterious camera: The Samsung Retro R1!
For a couple of hours an autor of a british blog posted a rumor about a mysterious Samsung Retro R1 mirrorless camera. He got the specs at an important meeting. The rumor is no more online, probably because he has been “forced” to remove the post.
UPDATE: The author of the “rumor” asked me to remove the original text I copied form his blog. Anyway, the news is all over the web now so I am going to report the key news from the Samsung Retro R1 rumor.
It looks like Samsung is working on an advanced mirrorless camera which is about the size of the Canon G12 (Click here ot see that cam) that looks like the Fuji X100 (Click here ot see that cam). It has a 24 Megapixel APS-C sensor with “retro styling” in black and chrome. It has 10 fps and a max shutter speed of 1/8000 sec. The surprise is that it has phase detection AF, swifel screen and costs £616.
Sounds amazing or not? let’s hope this is a true rumor. Specs and price(!) are amazing!
Frosti7
2 years ago |All the camera industry is blind,
forums are filled with requests of a Full-frame Mirrorless with EVF, yet all the companies ignore that
z
2 years ago |You talk like making a small FF is easy. I believe if they ever had tech to do that, they will. The problem is profitability. I doubt many will buy it for $2500 or more. And not to mention the lenses will be twice as big.
Don’t compare customer electronics to that huge(compared to other mirrorless), manual focus, $6k M9. Lenses are small of course, but that after omitting AF and auto aperture.
So, all companies’ stance is not condoned but understandable.
chris
2 years ago |you are simply wrong : P
have you never seen a fullframe film camera and how tiny the lenses can be?
check this out
http://microsites.lomography.com/fujinatura/specs
28-56mm f2,8-5,4
that would be 18-37mm f2-f3.5 on apcs like samsung nx or sony nex!
yet the fullframe fuji is 109.5×62.0×36.0mm
sony nex 5 without lens is 111x59x38mm!
mstefan
2 years ago |think: heat, heat, heat.
Where do you think is going?
Fants
2 years ago |The Natura Classica is a cool camera, and the lens is indeed impressively small for a FF lens…but note that it’s so recessed that it likely nearly touches the shutter plane. An interchangeable lens system on a digital camera would be able to get pretty small with the right design (think more along the lines of Contax G), but it wouldn’t be able to get THAT small.
Dima
2 years ago |Chris, thanks for link on Fuji Natura specs.
>28-56mm f2,8-5,4
> that would be 18-37mm f2-f3.5 on apcs like samsung nx or sony nex!
Samsung have already planned 16-50 f2.8 on 2013.
And that would be 14-28 f1.4-2.8 on micro 4/3.
chris
2 years ago |yes i know it is harder the make a small digital camera..
but simply look at the sony nex5.. just stick a fullframe camera in it and leave all the electronics the sam.. if it has same megapixel it wouldnt need more processing power anyways.
the technology should be there. we will see who makes it first..
Evjenij
2 years ago |Hes talking about a full frame digital camera, not 35mm film cameras. Someone has to pay for the sensor and the chips to run it, dont they? It’s not how hard, its the COST. Pppl should quit asking for things they cant afford.
Steve
2 years ago |Blog was just removed. I guess some one’s hands were slapped.
alexander
2 years ago |the lenses will be to big compared to m4/3 of Olympus….
Steve
2 years ago |Samsung has done a better job than Sony in this regard.
CRB
2 years ago |Much better than sony regarding quality of the lenses too…
Dima
2 years ago |Alexander, why do you think so?
Compare real length of lenses:
Pancake equal 22mm.
Collapsible zoom is the smallest 40mm! (Oly 50mm)
Kit zoom equal to Panasonic.
Telezoom: Sam 101 mm vs Oly & Pan 86mm (not very big deal).
Link to compare yourself:
http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=samsung_30_2&products=olympus_m_17_2p8&products=panasonic_20_1p7&products=samsung_20-50_3p5-5p6&products=olympus_m_14-42_3p5-5p6_ii&products=samsung_18-55_3p5-5p6&products=panasonic_14-45_3p5-5p6&products=panasonic_14-42_3p5-5p6&products=samsung_50-200_4-5p6_ois&products=oly_m_40-150_4-5p6&products=panasonic_14-140_4-5p8&sortDir=ascending
CRB
2 years ago |Sound to good to be true….I WANT A CHROME ONE….
Dummy00001
2 years ago |> – 24.3 mega pixels
OMG, the MP race goes on. I read on forums one guy raging that 20MP is not enough and he needs 40MP since he wants to replace his Hasselblad with something cheaper/smaller.
> – Retro Styling (their words) i.e. direct access buttons and dials for controls, similar look to Fuji x100, black and chrome
Direct controls are always welcome. Except for the corner cases when the buttons/dials are too small, since they tried to make the camera extremely small.
> – Swivel LCD screen (although this didn’t get good feedback)
Yes. What was the reason for the poor feedback? Old-timers like it like in old times? Or camera design was compromised somehow?
> – Interchangeable lenses
Mount?
> – Phase autofocus
> – Mirrorless system
Uhm… so there is a (at least) prototype of APS-C sensor with built-in PDAF support? Or I’m reading it wrong?
There is too much stuff which make me think, frankly, it is a fake (or some info got lost/added in translation, what makes it a fake anyway).
P.S. No word on VF’s availability/position??
Joe Benjamin
2 years ago |Good point about no mention of the VF.
kongqueror
2 years ago |Sounds suspiciously like the NEX7′s sensor.
Zune
2 years ago |Yes i think the is Sony, not Samsung.
_core
2 years ago |still waiting for an retro aps-c rangefinder for under 1000€…
Joe Benjamin
2 years ago |This sounds way too good to be credible. 1/8000-sec shutter which hasn’t been reached in a mirrorless camera yet, 10fps and PDAF (HOW?!) for $980?! The NEX 7 only does 1/4000-sec and PDAF with the $400 LA-EA2 adapter, and the camera body itself is $1200!
I mean there’s this Sony patent for on-sensor PDAF: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20110063484.pdf and I seem to remember some other patent (Sony or Nikon) involving a very small mirror right in the mount that could allow PDAF.
Din
2 years ago |Fuji already use PDAF in compact cameras, probably other camera makers like Sony and Samsung could have a similar approximation.
1/8000s shutter is not impossible on mirrorless camera, expensive? probably yes, but we don´t know what kind electronic solution could have it.
Less than $1000? that is a little difficult with a metal body and high end specs.
Dummy00001
2 years ago |> Fuji already use PDAF in compact cameras, probably other camera makers like Sony and Samsung could have a similar approximation.
I have seen few relevant threads on Fuji forums.
General conclusion – coming from the owners of the cameras with the tech – was that it doesn’t really improve AF speed. The on-sensor PDAF works on the Fuji cameras at about the same speed as the usual to P&S CDAF.
Well, one can’t disregard the fact that CDAF has improved much. And for P&S, the bottleneck might be not the AF itself anymore, but for example, the lens’ mechanics (namely the motors).
36exp
2 years ago |Hi,
I’m the author of this post, please can you remove my content from your site.
Thanks
T.j.
2 years ago |if they build this for 600 then yes i would buy one in a heart beat, APS-C 24MP, this doesn’t sound even plausible, they just started the nx200 for 900 or so, how can they add a great deal more and reduce the price so much? sounds bogus as hell, hope it happens though
Din
2 years ago |We don´t know if it is the same NX200 sensor.
Essenobi
2 years ago |my thoughts exactly. Samsung sells the nx200 for $900 and someone expects us to believe that they’ll come out with an even better camera for almost $300 less. I’m calling BS.
Don Pope
2 years ago |No viewfinder = no sale.
Din
2 years ago |He did´t say “no viewfinder”… how do you know?
zangou
2 years ago |My dream camera. Nikon please, make it first.
pdc
2 years ago |What is in the photo at http://photorumors.com/
J-Man
2 years ago |It was a leaked image(months ago)of a prototype believed to be the NX200, there was also a cube shaped med-format looking prototype in the same pic.
http://thenewcamera.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Smasung-Future-Camera.jpg
James
2 years ago |Considering all the investment and hype Samsung put into the NX200 (which, mind you, isn’t even released), I doubt the validity of this rumor. The only rumors about Samsung’s product line we’ve heard is a small NX1000 (which was presumably supposed to be a smaller, less specced version of the NX200, not a smaller, better, cheaper, version of the NX200) and the NX20.
I’m calling BS as well
J-Man
2 years ago |nm
Tom
2 years ago |This is fantastic news, I like to do large prints of my dog and kid snapshots at high resolution, and I’m having trouble getting past 4 foot by 5 foot prints with this generation’s 16 mp sensors. 100 mp would be better so I could do full billboard size at 300 dpi, but they’ll hopefully have this next year.
On a more serious note, make it 8 mp instead of 24 and I will buy it. At 24 mp we can look forward to good, but not spectacular IQ. Seriously, first interchangeable lens camera at 6 to 8 mp (enough for a 300 dpi 8×10) using current sensor technology, I’ll more or less buy sight unseen. That is how they should do “full frame mirrorless”: use the same sensor but smaller: same pixel pitch, same dynamic range, same high iso, only difference is fewer megapixels so you’ll be limited to small poster prints with limited cropping.
Din
2 years ago |I think the camera makers want more than you buy their cameras…
I really doubt you will see a 8MPx APS-C camera.
Dima
2 years ago |Awasome photoes with new macro NX 60mm F2.8 lens
http://translate.google.ru/translate?hl=ru&sl=ko&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slrclub.com%2Fbbs%2Fvx2.php%3Fid%3Dnewproduct_samsung%26page%3D1%26divpage%3D1%26select_arrange%3Dheadnum%26desc%3Dasc%26no%3D3022
A great portraits on this lens
http://translate.google.ru/translate?hl=ru&sl=ko&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slrclub.com%2Fbbs%2Fvx2.php%3Fid%3Dnewproduct_samsung%26page%3D1%26divpage%3D1%26select_arrange%3Dheadnum%26desc%3Dasc%26no%3D3008
Dima
2 years ago |No comment.
max
2 years ago |samsung have to reduce the flange distance for having a winner..and evf+ flip screen are absolutely a must have for futures cameras.. with nx 200 no c lens no leica lens etc…this is a shame
Evjenij
2 years ago |Samsung is not in the camera business to make money for Leica. Get over it.
Rollei
2 years ago |ADMIN- is this a fixed-lens camera, or interchangeable lens?
I like the looks of this. Don’t care for full frame or EVF.
Wish Panny or Oly made something like this.
Red Fox
2 years ago |Sadly as much as I would love this camera, I would not buy in to a system by Samsung. I also can not see how this be brought to market in under 48 months. At the current moment, mirror-less systems are no where near 24mp sensors. In fact aside from a few FF cameras from Nikon and Canon, no one is making 24mp cameras using sensors of this size due to price.
Also, we’re taking 10fps at 24mp, even if shooting JPEG with a burst of 8 frames, we’re still talking about a rather large amount of internal memory to handle the buffering, take in to account RAW files, amusing they could even do 10fps/8 frame buffer, we’re talking about 350mb plus. 250mb of SSD is not that expensive, it’s also not that commonly available either. They are certainly taking Moore’s law in account for future planning.
Zaph
2 years ago |“At the current moment, mirror-less systems are no where near 24mp sensors”
Err, you might want to Google NEX-7.
weird
2 years ago |I want a manufacturer to release an MILC exclusively dedicated to manual focus users (we are thousands now) with plenty of external controls…and feature to enhance manual focusing experience.
Evjenij
2 years ago |You’re in for a long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long wait.