Finally some Canon EOS-M rumors…
CR finally got some bits about possible new Canon mirrorless stuff: There may be three new EOS-M lenses coming within the next few months. A 55-300mm, a fast prime and a super zoom. There will be also a new EOS-M body which we on MirrorlessRumors already said would have an integrated viewfinder and improved AF performance ….which currently on the EOS-M literally…sucks 
Camera Vendor
5 months ago |Canons biggest problem with their csc is pricing. they dont realize that most folks dont want to spend over 700 on what appears to be a igend ps camera. nikon had the same problem with the v1. and the v1 sold better when it went on sale for 399. the world is in a recession and not many people are happy when it comes to price gouging. in a recession, when food prices go up, ppl eat less, when gas prices go up, ppl drive less, and when camera prices go up, ppl dont buy, period. enjoy the csc market while its lasts ppl, cause there will be more than one casualty sooner or later…and its usually the companies that dont have alot of money to lose anymore in the market. Canon and nikon will survive on brand loyalty and pro loyalty to their stuff, but im not so sure about some of the smaller players. Cameras are not food, one can go for life without ever buying one.
Ranger 9
5 months ago |“improved AF performance ….which currently on the EOS-M literally…sucks.”
Do you mean the current EOS-M AF system is vacuum operated? Or that it performs a, uh, stimulating act on the user?Or are you just sloppy about what “literally” means?
Vivek
5 months ago |It sucks the money out of the buyer. Not worth the price tag because of the poor AF and the lack of EVF. EOS-M is an overpriced under performer.
Camera Vendor
5 months ago |Canon doesnt give a crap about mirrorless markets. Do you just reliaze that now? your comparing csc to the canon eos m, thats like comparing a kid who just won the bean bag rally race to a kid who would rather pick his nose. Why dont you compare the best m43 witht he best dslrs, like the 1 series, or the nikon d4 series. Then tell me how much better m43 is. LOL. SELECTIVE BIASED comnparisons dont fool no one, friend…only yourself.
Camera Vendor
5 months ago |SO WHAT? Last I checked the price performance of m43 sucks . Last I checked the ovf performance of m43 sucks too…OH WAIT, M43 DOESNT EVEN HAVE OVFS LET ALONE AN EVF EXCEPT IF YOU PAY 1400 OR BUY A 300 DOLLAR ACCESSORY EVF. LAST IME I CHECKED, THE SMALLER M43 SENSOR PERFROMS SUCKY TOO. WHATS YOUR POINT?
G.
5 months ago |M43 sensor outperform canon apsc sensor…take a look at dpreview, dxo …;)
Mr Hipsta
5 months ago |With new bodies and lenses coming up I think the EOS-M system have potential of being great. The current model does a few good things; excellent image quality and nice size. And the 23/2.0 seems fine. Hopefully the autofocus will be faster and more reliable, and with built in EVF this may become interesting!
peevee
5 months ago |There is no excellent image quality there, compared to other modern mirrorless (except the Nikon’s 1 and Pentax Q jokes).
Lain
5 months ago |Canon was late to the party, so instead of introducing “more of the same” (I can too-product), they should have gone with full frame mirrorless.
A full frame mirrorless from Canon could really have stirred things up.
Canon used to lead. Now they are just following.
Camera Vendor
5 months ago |Canon isnt late to the party, they never wanted to attend the mirrorless party to begin with. They an dnikon do not see this market as a threat to their dslr market, and it has not been. They play their cards the way they want to, carefully making sure they dont destroy their dslr pie. To say they were late or could have done better is part true, but part false. They canikon have no intention of killing their dslr market. There is no point in losing shares there just to try and gain it back in the mirrorless market…that would be business suicide. They think logically, mirrorless camera biggest advantage is their weakness. Their strengths are it smaller size, BUT..the problem arises when you make bigger lenses for different apllications, with bigger lenses will come bigger cameras, cause who going to try to grip a pen camera with a 400mm 2.8 stuck on it? not to mention evf is never going to be as good as ovf, battery drain, refresh problems, price, jellos, lag, you name it. So…mirrorless systems are relegated to small primes and zooms. once they get almost as big as a dslr…ALL their advantages disappear and its back to the dslr a mirrorless camera the size of a dslr is just a thinner dslr without no ovf. It make logical sense why canon and nikon dont care about the mirrorless market. Not to mention that sensors will get cheaper and cheaper and one day they know that all ps cameras may even have apsc or m43 sensors, where will the advantage than be for m4? the gap is closing and it is a matter of time before all ps cameras have apsc sensors.
Your statements come from a position that canon cares or wants to rule the mirrorless market. That csc market overall is so small they could hardly care. Its not that canon or nikon isnt trying enough, its that they DONT even CARE to try. They see the mirrorless market as a gap that will eventually be closed, and that system is a small market for noobs and amateurs, which it is. Very few ppl buy csc lenses other than a kit zoom or pancake prime. Many many ppl have nikon and canon glass invested. Most pros shoot nikon or canon.You can say canon is late or their mirrorless is bad, but that doesnt stop the real fact that most ppl are still asking for and buying their dslrs, and that wont change.
Rememeber the aps film systems? They died because ps film cameras used 35mm film and their Iq was even better than aps. m43 exists because of the gap created by sensor costs…but what do you think is going to happen to m43 someday when ALL ps cameras have apsc sensors? Canon and Nikon already know the future at least 10 years down the line and they are not worried one bit or care too much about other mirrorless systems.
ObakiShoota
5 months ago |I agree on your analysis of CaNikon. I suspect Sony agrees too, in fact, I think Sony is banking on it.
If Sony succeeds in producing a FF mirrorless camera, that would provide form factor that CaNikon does not offer.
Not everyone needs a big zoom with AF, pros included. For that “not everyone” crowd, a smaller form factor is a welcome addition to what’s currently on the market.
Camera Vendor
5 months ago |You forgot one imoportant thing, and its the most important thing of all when it comes to selling products. the nrand is influenced by what ppl see others using. most pros use dslrs because those cameras are made for many por aplications like sporting. here’s the important thing. most ordinary people SEE what the pros use. They see Nikon and Canon cmaeras, they SEE all those white lenses and those huge lenses and they see the wedding photgraphers using Canon and Nikon pro cameras, and geuss what they want? Geuss what they SEE as professional? People see others drive Ferrairs, they want one too, even if its an entry level Ferarri it dont matter cause the car says Ferrari. That is how the game is played.
Minolta has been saying to themsleves all those years, ” look, most people dont need a nikon d4, and our products will serve your needs fine.” While that many be true technically, it does NOT concince the masses who see every pro use Canikon to then go buy…Sony. Not only that, Canon and nikons top cameras are just that, they truly are the BEST in the world, bar none, inlcuding their top lenses, they are the best. Sony can NOT call itself the best if it is not the best, they say to be the champ, you have to beat the champ. Sony doesnt even get in the ring to fight.
My point is, sony can rationalize all they want and tell consumers to buy their products, but when you go and see all the pros using Canon and Nikon, Its sheer stupidity and a fools heart to tell someone to buy somthing else. If i see the pros driving a Ferrari, Im going to want to buy a Ferrair, I aint going to buy a Pontiac just becaue Pontiac says their cars are just as good. Brand doesnt work that way. Minolta thought they could ignore Canikon and they got so burned it wasnt even funny. Brand is built by Top flagship cameras, by making sure that morst pros are seen with those cameras. It took over half a century for Canon or nikon to build their brand. Tehy went head to head to against leica and Zeiss and single handely built the japanese camera market to what it is today.They have pros using their stuff because their top stuff is the BEST.
I have said time and time again the reason why minolta failed miserably and now they are doing the SAME thing over at Sony. Why would this philosophy work again if it failed the first time. Most Minoltians from the maxxum era have already jumped ship a long long time ago.
ONe More Thought
5 months ago |Canon will get their act together and perfect their M system. They always do.
Remember, the first m43 cameras weren’t that great in terms of AF speed and it took a while to get a good lens selection out there.
Now that being said, shame on Canon for not coming out with a great product at first try. They have the resources to have done so, and they have observed the market long enough to know what people want. They should have gotten it right the first time.
It’s not rocket science…people want a quick responsive camera in terms of controls and AF, good image quality, good lens selection, a reasonable price. Canon did not deliver the AF, the M’s biggest liability. That in terms makes their pricing look out of whack. But Canon will get it right.
Austin
5 months ago |Or they will sell you the same product for years with minor revisions and extreme prices (t2i and up).
Mark
5 months ago |“people want a quick responsive camera in terms of controls and AF, good image quality, good lens selection, a reasonable price.”
The EOS-M is not responsive. The AF is by far the slowest n the market. The Canon APS-C sensor is outdated and way behind the Sony APS-C and even m4/3 sensors. It has only 2 lenses in the same time the competition have dozen lenses. And above all that it is way to expensive.
Why wait till Canon will get it finally right when the competition (Olympus, Sony, Panasonic, Samsung) already has it right? Even the Nikon 1 system and Pentax Q are more attractive than EOS-M.
Business101
5 months ago |No, the eos m is not responsive but if you want responsive, canon has a whole line of responsive dslrs. i think the eos 1d series is pretty damn responsive.
You have to ask yourself why canon treats this mrket with skpeticism, but its just not them, most folks still buy dslrs and ps cameras.
i wouldt say tat the eos camera is what i would buy, but i wouldnt think that from a company that can make a 1d somehow cannot make a good mirrorless, should they want to.
Its simple economics, go put yourself in canons shoes for a minute. Suppose you have 40 percent of the camera market overall. You got all that market share by ps and slr camera. Now would you spend more money to make a ultra mirrorless to kill off your exisitng share in order to gain it back later?
In simple math, thats like spending 30 dollars in order so you can lose 100 dollars you already have in order to gain 100 dollars for a grand net lose of 30 dollars.
Im sure admin here knows about simple math, after all this site has advertsiements. Ask admin if that would make business sense? The market is already full of cameras and there are so many new consumers. Canon has to keep their big profits coming in from ps and dslrs. they are not going to committ business suicide just to try and win the tiny market of mirrorless cameras.Canon and nikon have acess to numbers and market shares non of us truly have, and iam inclined to think the first thing they will listen to is their ban accounts, not what fnas and fanboys of mirrorless cameras like us think.
ronnbot
5 months ago |So Canon’s CSC sucks but they don’t care and would rather loose a sale than cannibalize their own DSLR. Why buy the EOS-M now or the better EOS-M later if you can get a NEX or PEN that has better IQ/performance, more features/lenses for less money?
After getting a PEN, I got rid of my Canon stuff. The bulk wasn’t worth it and I got frustrated with Canon not making enough EF-S lenses. I also don’t intend to go 35mm. I now have 4 m4/3 lenses (2 of which are primes) covering a range equivalent to 18-300mm and I can fit all of them plus a body, batteries and EVF in a small Lowepro edit 120. We’ve taken more/better pictures with a CSC because it’s more portable, discrete and fun.
You can root all you want for Canikon but I won’t be going back to them anytime soon.
Business101
5 months ago |Jesus man, root for canon? i dont even use their stuff and Iam more objective than your are. And i dont think canon cares if you or i come back. You say the pe has better performance? accodring to whom? You? Canons not making enough efs lenses? since when do you think the further is efs, its ef lenses in FF. No one is telling you not to buy oyur m43 stuff, but dont sit there like so many delusional fanboys thinking that m43 is going to be the top of the market, its not and it wont be at this rate. You say the oen is cheaoper, how so? the pen is around 700 -800 When it CAME OUT and that with NO viewfinder. the viewfinder is about 300 when it came out so thats 300 more than a rebel dslr. How is that CHEAPER my friend? You can loooove m43 all you want, but dont go and cloud hard facts by false non objective outright BS.
you can root all you want for m43 but dont you should have some more respect for canon and nikon, cause without them, youd still be buying overpriced german film cameras. the hard facts and the majority of the camera market does not lie. and if you still wont accept this like a man, then go outside and look at how many ppl still use ps and dslr cameras. Oh but no, youc an see that, in your head this is come kind of personal attack on you and your beloved m43, you would not do well in business.. i can tell.
Camera Vendor
5 months ago |I dont think Canon cares if you dont buy their cameras, as most people would disaree with you and vote with their wallets. You selective and biased generalizations and comparisons are doing m43 and you no good.
Camera Vendor
5 months ago |The eos m is their first csc from a company that has said all along they are still skeptical bout that market. Af speed can only go so far. You wont get light speed. the eos m isnt as slow as a maxxum 7000…the catch up isnt going to be hard. there are so many apples on the tree. meaning , there are so many camera customers in the world, just because you created the nest csc does not mean all those buyers are new buyers. No one and i mean no one tries to make money by taking money from their own pockets. Take 50 bucks away from your own dslr pie to make 50 bucks in the csc pie, while spending 30 bucks to make the csc’s? im sure you can see the folly in that.
Tester
5 months ago |Whatever will come from Canon, we all know that it will be boring.
Business101
5 months ago |Alot of ps users, entry level users, semi pro users and pro users have already disagreed with your statement in the fact that they are still buying Canon equipment. Money in Canons bank is the only thing that will persuade them, not comments. When you’re canon or nikon and youre used to and still have the majority of the feast on your table, the last thing you worry about is losing food craps to the dogs below you.
Fanti
5 months ago |Canon doesnt give a rats ass about the mirrorles market. They are not interested in going after scraps.
Camera Vendor
5 months ago |What ever m43 comes up with, it will be a rip off with no evf or ovf and most people will STILL buy dslrs instead of it.
Sören
5 months ago |“What ever m43 comes up with, it will be a rip off with no evf…”
Have heard about that before… oh wait, it was the Canon EOS M.
Honestly, even the cheapest Pen, the E-PM2 is a better deal than the “M”.
It is faster, has more lenses and, thanks to the Sony sensor, a better Image Quality.
At the moment, there is not a single reason to by the EOS M over µFT, NEX, NX or Fuji X unless you want to adapt your Canon lenses.
Camera Vendor
5 months ago |You are comparing a pen , no evf with an eos m with no evf. the eos m has slow Af, Ok you win. the canon 1d series blows every single thing m43 has ever made out of the water, pros use it, ppl gravitate to the brand. ..end of story. Would you like to compare the gh3 tot he eos m as well?
would you like to compare the best lens m43 has to the kit lens you get from a Canon rebel as well? Would that make you feel better? You mention m43 has more lenses. you compare m43 lens line to the eos 2 or 3 lenses. the eos m has been out what..a year? Why dont you compare the m43 line up to the eos ef and efs line up? would you like to compare the gh3 EVf to a 300 dollar Canon sx series camera as well? Would that make you…feel better?
Would you also like to comapre the 1400 dollar when it was relased oly omd to a Canon powershot as well? would that make you feel extremely better?
Camera Vendor
5 months ago |You’re absolutley right. Canon and nikon dslrs and ps cameras are sooo boring most pros, intermediate and entry level consumers use them
Nik
5 months ago |Successful innovation from leading companies can only come from a willingness to cannibalize your existing product lines. The best example is Apple, which kicked off the death of the iPod the day they announced the iPhone. Today they face a threat from Microsoft, of all people, because M is prepared to sell out it’s largest business by completely reinventing their operating system. All innovative investment carries risk and it’s far too early to tell where those markets are going, but I see an analog in Canon and to a lesser extent Nikon’s unwillingness to let go of the entry-level DSLR market. Most consumers do not need these bulky cameras and lenses, even though they might want the flexibility of an interchangeable system.
The NEX-5n is my first and only camera. I’m very interested in photography and I already have three lenses AND the add-on EVF for it. I cannot for the life of me imagine why I would want an entry-level DSLR. When I made my purchase about seven months ago I had it in my mind that Canon and Nikon were far and away the best and had there been a compact option I might have gone for it but neither the 1 system or EOS-M seemed like serious options. I think I’m the kind of person Canon and Nikon are losing out to by “not caring” about the mirrorless segment. Time will tell where that strategy gets them.
Camera Vendor
5 months ago |Im sorry but you have no idea wat your talking about…do you. “Successful innovation from leading companies can only come from a willingness to cannibalize your existing product lines”
ARE you SERIOUS? I can tell you have never been in business before.
Let me explain to you in such simple terms even a dog can understand.
Lets say for example Canon and nikon has 70 percent of the entire dslr camera market.Lets say they both make 100 million dollars out from the dslr market every year. Now you want Canon and nikon to spend 50 million to make a camera which will kill that market only to try and recapture that market again? So they spend 50 million to lose 100 million in the dslr market only to hopefully regain 100 million in the csc market….which would put their loses at 50 million with no profits. You cant be serious , are you? how many consumers do you thinkt he world has? do you know how illogical and silly your remark is?
you talk about willingnes to let go of the dslr market. Let go you say, like the millons of dollars of income that run your company should be just tossed away and gambled like a peice of dried toast. Wait until you run a multi million dollar copration someday and then you can talk about the willingnes to toss aside millions of dollar. you make it sound like tossing away the dslr market is like some walk in the park, like nikon and Canon should jsut do it so you can feel better about your pruchase of a mirrorless camera.
Innovation you say? what more inovation do ppl need? We already have didital cameras, they all take the same pics. They already have fast Af, what more inovations where you looking for, a camera to make you scambled eggs? You cannot imagine yourself ownng a dslr, I bet you have never looked throug a top notch OVF either.
you mention apple, how is aple doing lately? not so hot eh? Phones are for talking, they get discarded every year, but you know what? the next phone also does the same ting, you talk into it, you text, or you can surf the net. your skewed argument about apples apple ipod and its death. well the ipod is no more a apple phone without the ability to be a phone. the ipod was just a media player not a phone..they are two different things.Would you want nikon to stop making cameras and concentrate on making toasters?
For you to imply that nikon should cannabalize on its dslr market shows me and every sane person that you have no idea about business. You want Nikon to committ business suicide to do what? To make mirrorless cameras so that pros could use them with large grips and no ovfs to shoot sports? Oh, thats going to go so well with all the nikon and canon users for sure!
you say Canikon is losing out by not caring…Losing out on what? the teeny tiny mirrorles pie around the world? most ppl still buy ps and dslr cameras, most pros use pro dslrs or medium format. those are facts, not some wishful thinking. I suggest to you that nikon and Canon know where the market is going to go in ten, 20 years…you can bet your ass on it. You can also bet that they know how much FF sensors and apsc sensors will cost in 10-20 years time. You can also bet that they have already planned it out already. Ask yourself this , what is going to happen to your sony nex market when someday all Canon and nikon ps cameras have apsc sensors for lower the cost? i eel like im trying to teach basic ecomics here. Canon and nikon are making alot of money selling their stuff, they are NOT going to throw it all away cause joe and jill think CSC are the end all be all. It doesnt work that way in business, Canikon dont try and fix things that are NOT broken, unlike Sony.
Michael
5 months ago |Mr Camera Vendor your simple way of thinking just got me laughing. It seems like you don’t want to understand others so it’s easier for you to tell they are wrong.
Camera Vendor
5 months ago |Oh I’m sorry michael, i guess i shouldt say i’m right when I know i’m right. i should want to understand others who have no logic and biased slective memory views. Ok here goes. Their right…m43 is doing so well that Canon and Nikon will soon be at the bottom. every one i see on the street is mostly using m43, not dslrs nor ps cameras, and any camera with a smaller sensor than m43 is bad, yet every other camera with a larger sensor than m43 is also bad as well. I love m43s stategy, cause they dont overcharge for their “superior” equipment, and who needs a ovf when you can pay more for a batter drain, laggy corase noisy evf! WHO? M43 will soon dominate the world of cameras simply because people love to pay more for less.
How does that sound Micahel? im telling you exactly what m43 fanboys sound like, so now you dont have any excuse to get bent out of shape. Im only repeating what m43 fanboys say all the time? Heck, youre right, michael, who wants to har the truth when we can all live in delusion.
So hows that micahel? does that make you more happier? does that make it less simple for you? your so right michael, why tell ppl when theyre wrong when i can tell them that their right? i relaize that ppl like you dont want to hear the truth, so I’l gie you what you want..that way you can feel even better about yourself, cause if i say their wrong its because i dont want to understand the,,,but if they tell me that im wrong it’s not because they dont want to understand me. Oh, boy do i love the m43 fanclubs hipocrsy. Is there anything else you would like me to tell you that you want to hear michael?
Michael
5 months ago |Wow that sounds pretty serious. Why so emotional?
Camera Vendor
5 months ago |Mr Michael, your simple way of thinking just got me laughing. It seems like you don’t want to understand others so it’s easier for you to tell they are wrong.
nXain
5 months ago |Mr Camera,
You’re thinking in terms of cameras, rather than computers, consumer devices and a much faster moving market place. You need to switch paradigms and apply the right business model – i.e., you must cannibalize yourself with innovative products before the competition takes your market share. Windows 8 = Microsoft’s play for the next 10 years regardless of the current hit. iPad = Apple’s play for the next 10 years regardless of damage to low end desktops / laptops (both of which, are pinned down by app stores, which didn’t exist not too long ago). Camera manufacturers are now playing in this space regardless of whether they want to or not. I.e., Samsung and Sony are using this model to innovate and capture market share while Canon and Nikon think about it. If you hesitate, you lose the emerging, to-be-dominate market. Think “Kodak”. It’s very likely that in another 10 years, pro dslr camera’s will be nearly irrelevant and the idea of calling a camera a “still” camera or a “video” won’t make sense, especially with a minimum resolution of 4k. I suspect we’re see medium format cameras disappear also (they are already a niche market about to be assaulted by a new wave of hi-rez ff digital cameras).
So yes, if I was Canon or Nikon, I would very much be thinking of how to spend 50 million to ensure I maintained a sizable percentage of the market as it evolves over 10 or 20 years and I’d certainly be keeping an eye on disruptive technologies and trends in consumer products. Fuji’s creation of the X line is a great example of what this looks like when it works.
Camera Vendor
5 months ago |Mr nXain, your simple way of thinking just got me laughing. It seems like you don’t want to understand others so it’s easier for you to tell they are wrong.
Nik
5 months ago |Please, tell me more about how I’m dumber than a dog. Astonish me with your intellect.
I always find compelling, reasonable debate goes hand in hand with baseless personal attacks.
Camera Vendor
5 months ago |Wow that sounds pretty serious. Why so emotional?
Michael
5 months ago |Mr Camera Vendor you were trolling on a high level. Could you just go somwhere else to spread the one and only truth?
Camera Vendor
5 months ago |Mr Michael, your simple way of thinking just got me laughing. It seems like you don’t want to understand others so it’s easier for you to tell they are wrong.